Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. Not too long ago? killing Zachary in a murder-suicide. Zachary was learning some words well, words he understood that Kate and David were sure they understood, too. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. After helping Kurt Kuene with his documentary Dear Zachary: A Letter from a father to his Son I was honored that David Bagby sent me his book as a thank you. There was a problem loading your book clubs. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. In fact, he had made a date with another woman that night. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. Apparently it takes years to extradite criminals from Canada back to the USA, and despite being wanted for a vicious murder Dr. Turner was granted bail (unlike in the USA nobody had to put any actual money up to guarantee Turner's release, all she needed to gain her freedom was talk a few friends into signing paperwork, despite being wanted for a brutal murder!) Please try again. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. David, the analytical engineer with the scientific mind. Then she killed his brother. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. substance to it. I wouldn't say I enjoyed the story - There is no happy ending but it brings to light the serious issues surrounding the system. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. He loved to laugh, Kate says. Someone found a car that didn't belong. Meeting her at 6. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. Oh, my. His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. The. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. Well written from the heart and to the point. a month after 30 days. Very brave parents. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. Hed been shot five times. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. But that is what the Bagbys. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? However, David and Toneata's relationship did not last long. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. "It's a blur of emotion." True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. Zachary, I love you, baby. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. ", Get email updates with the day's biggest stories. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. He said, `The psychotic bitch. "This was our goal," said Bagby. Both of them were victims of murder. The murder-suicide was a huge news story in Canada. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. I mean, she. One of the most heart-wrenching books I have ever read. This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. Cookie Notice MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. This is a fantastic book. My heart goes out to Mr. and Mrs. Bagby. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. But how? It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. I had this overwhelming feeling. Though David and Kate ultimately did not find their happy ending on Temptation Island, they both seem to be in a better place since the show aired. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their . Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. I got to go to the trial. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. He was jolly.. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. You were done. Why don't you just take him?'. He said, `What do you mean?' He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! Cpl. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. 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