Walnut honey cakes. Why? How is that fair? Don't confuse friendliness with openness. Our education system definitely needs an upgrade so British people stop being so ignorant about our history. Dear Renee, you can't please everyone. We both naturalised to become British citizens. It has changed from a land of invention and innovation to that of bloated consumer. I have even found happiness in giving up my life as the career city girl for a stay at home mom and have never been happier. So just try a little bit harder. Dear Cory, I think this is the most precious article on living in a country on the entire Internet. Racist and a bigot for stating that YOUR COUNTRY has a massive issue with foreigners and xenophobia (and especially Eastern European ones). And what about the human rights of Tommy Robinson, jailed in media secrecy without due process. I am glad you did what is best for you. You cant have all the decisions go your way. That's not on the membership, it's on the UK's political priorities and mistakes, which are then, in turn, blamed on the EU. I thought it had to do with me but the more I got to know more locals and foreigners like myself, the more I realised that was just the way life in London was. I'm out of here in a few months, heading back home to the sun, soca music, and lovely people, but I'm truly sad for those who have to stay here for whatever reason, being told daily they have faces that don't "fit", and living in fear, and festering in anger over daily dealings with racists. Make sense, Carla! I could see where things were headed and at the time I was a social worker. I can probably tell you something fantastic about a lot of them. Ive come across your blog and found it heartbreaking that youve been made to feel this way in great Britain. You chose to live in Manchester one of the wettest and coldest parts of the UK - and yet most of Europe is colder than Manchester for most of the year. We should all be free to live a happy life everywhere. We have a better technological infrastructure than most of Europe as well. Think carefully. To further reassure myself that my English level was adequate enough for me to get a job, I went to University and took a language exam. I came from Italy to do my bachelor and master degree, not because of lack of an excellent (albeit very bureaucracy reliant) university system in my country. I was born/raised in the UK (with brief spells in Germany), and wanted to thank you for your nuanced, albeit slightly depressing post. [35], In the "New Earth" episode of the BBC TV series Doctor Who, the character Lady Cassandra is transplanted into Rose Tyler's body (Billie Piper). Except the rain; everyone hates the rain haha. If you can, and open your eyes and hearts, there are some truly beautiful in heart brits around you. Paris is wetter than London..south of England gets more sunshine than the Low Countries..what were you expecting when you moved here wall to wall sunshine?! And everything was perfect. But I guess you took the right decision :/, Hi Cristina, it is very hard to leave the known and take a leap of faith into the unknown. Family and good friends are what make life worthwhile. Dear awesome British people out there. Well, England has gotten less safe because of the mass invasion of fighting age males from overpopulated Muslim countries. Hope you will make it to Canada someday. :). I do feel that we have so much potential and we could learn so much from one another. To my mind, Britain is the biggest dump in Europe. Thank you for writing a well-structured article. I am what you call a naturalised British citizen. Let's see what food Bucharest is known for - hmmm, stuffed cabbage, Ciorba de burta (tripe soup) and roasted eggplant salad. [21] The writer John Harris argued along similar lines in a 2007 article in The Guardian. it was a very long sounding Greek name, and the expression on his face just changed as if to say "ohh no can't really do that" you know kind of wincing and shrugging sort of expression. We learned that the vast majority of people in this country is racist. I think people like this author who want to attack the UK and the British people should LEAVE PERMANENTLY as their self centred bigotry will never change. Again, they were blind-sided by empty promises of a better NHS, "more jobs" and "less immigrants". If you think the only "British" dishes are the Sunday roast, fish and chips, pies and bleedin toad in the hole then you're a bit of a divvy. The problem with Britain is that it bends over backwards too much, and does not do enough - paradoxically, at the same time. So although Britain has a limited amount of dishes, it comes with a great variety of ingredients. The prices are similar across all high-income countries across North Europe. Our neighbours have been fantastic and really welcoming. Let's hope things improve for us who are staying, and good luck with your future ! I must say, I don't think your assertion that 'most people in the UK are racist' is fair. Wherever we go we will have to endure some sort of hardship , for example look at the foreigners leaving China - its all very well moving there when things seemed good. Cory, just out of interest, have you experienced much racism where you are living now? We created 42droids which became the pillar of our careers. I am bisexual and growing up in Romania vs UK are two different worlds - yes, Romanians were way more tolerant than British kids who physically abused and bullied me. Both children born here , is so hard , really hard . Would you come and live in the UK or would you rather take the road somewhere warmer? They don't respect or understand that to settle, build a future and integrate into a country takes a lot of hard work and humility. Once the violence started to happen I could see the shame in their faces though. There is a lot of incentive for young entrepreneurs to start a new business here and we took full advantage of this. I want to thank you from all my heart that you took the time to tell us we are welcome. Countries in Europe are becoming less and less accepting and open. As an adopted child of Britain,I can totally relate to you. A socialist government will. No school for my kids.. All too expensive. I'm glad you had the chance to go for a brighter future abroad. Good luck on your move and finding the sun. What kind of life is that? A passport country that doesn't accept me the way I am due to my ethnic heritage, global upbringing, and different cultural views. Politicians are trying to get rid of the Human Rights (read about it if you don't believe me) and without a flinch, the great British government passed "the most extreme surveillance law in the history of western democracy" (to quote Snowden). Its over ambitious maybe. But its like I've always maintained since the vote happened is that lots of people voted Brexit for many complex reasons. That sums it up. Thank you so much for your honesty and strength. A very powerful piece and interesting from my perspective as a Canadian who left Canada to travel for many of the same reasons. I know it's unusual for you to grasp that. Thank you for your message. Maybe it was our experience with Bristol and London. I grew up in the countryside and fell more and more in love with my country with every passing year. Image: ANGLIA PRESS AGENCY LTD) The Lancashire town hold the dubious honour of being crown the least offensive borough on list. Just read her response to Hector to read what a superior and condescending attitude she has. So we might as well make the most of it. Englanders are sad, fragile little people who hate to see foreigners or people who look different to them, thrive. It is nice to hear some positive stories. A spokeswoman said, "With slogans from characters in shows such as Little Britain and The Catherine Tate Show providing us with more and more contemporary slang, our "Whatever" sweets now nicknamed chav hearts have become very popular with kids and grown-ups alike. Finally my favorite thing in all England are the landscapes, in all the country you can see a lot of turistic atraccions, architectural as well as natural. In waging this campaign she weakened British industry to the point that it never really recovered and turned the UK into the one-horse (and one town - London) financial market centre it has been ever since. I think the part which shocked me the most was how friendly everyone seemed, how customer-oriented the service was tailored and the sheer amount of prospects anyone could benefit from. [10] In the 2010 book Stab Proof Scarecrows by Lance Manley, it was surmised that "chav" was an abbreviation for "council housed and violent". Do you have any questions or suggestions? I've been back 18 months and I can see these issues, without any dogma of ideology. Politically, we are also one of the best countries in the world. I've lived in both. That is a fantastic thing, is it not? I have faced racism almost everyday including in my jobs. I am very sorry to hear about your experience in the UK, but it has become all too common these days. And this got me thinkingin fact, no! Hi Sandra, I know it's not easy to live in London. Other countries set a higher standard in who they let in and they *make it clear what is expected of them*. Its sad what is happening with the world today. I studied computer games design, music production and technology, IT infrastructure and now Cloud Computing with Amazon and guess what.still no JOB. And, the Americans assisted in WWII yes, however even you can't say if that was the ultimate reason why we ended up victorious in that war. Omg what a nasty angry post..you really do hate yourself don't you? Would you conceive a white being in the government in Pakistan? You do not need an address in the UK for yourself. Thanks for this article, but I'd like to add my experience to counterbalance a bit. Hi Laura, We would absolutely love to visit St Helena Island one day. Wow, this was an incredibly interesting read. Best wishes for your move. This was not the intention of this article, to make people afraid or to deter them from moving to the UK. In the UK people say: "Not bad", which is true, it's not bad here, but it's certainly not "awesome" or "great" and we live once, and we are clever international people. In the Balkans we also have pljeskavica or plecavia which is a kebab burger. Found your blog googling "the UK sucks" :') It was a strange experience. High standards, high expectations, high quality living. You can't compare Lisbon to London of course. I now live in the United States with my brother and while there are also problems, there are ample opportunities for professional growth and learning and I generally feel America places more value in your experience. I know many foreigners who are happy in the UK and live well. Anyway, I hope you come back. But I can assure you, we love our life in the North and we are seriously considering going further up, to Scotland. The Brits also call themselves "expats" and not immigrants. I think you got it all right! This along with the supposed 1 million violent crimes committed due to alcohol per year and the 25% increase in liver diseases, suggests we can't handle our drink either. I say keep traveling and find places that you can afford to have a decent life and by that I don't mean buying 'stuff' settle for much less but a good lifestyle. Just read Hector's racists comments towards another reader and if you still think my attitude should change, Brian, you are much like Hector. And your seasons kick ass :) You can ski, swim, tan, walk. There weren't any. Definitely not a bigot, my friend. It gets to you when you need to ride your bike home whilst getting wet to the bones. You said in an earlier post Abu Dhabi was fascinating. Not just weather, lifestyle or even landscape. Chilling by the pool exploring the hotel's cultural hotspots? Here, in Estonia, the winter is 6 months - cold, sometimes snowing, dark, wet, depressing weather. We loved exchanging views on politics and weekly debates were something I looked forward to. No one worked there who wasn't English. There are two sides to the British culture. It is terrorism free, it has lower cost of living and phenomenal weather. Thank you Jordan! We have such moderate weather that it poses the least threat to life of anywhere in the world. Yes, Britain is home. Staines has been summed up by one resident as "a dead-end dump full of mindless chavs and old people". I chose to live in Manchester for University but lived for 6 years in Bristol. I am not intolerant towards your opinions. My hubby and I left the UK in 2013 for the same reasons. Thank you for your message and thank you for taking the time to write back to me. It's just that we wanted to experience something a little different for a while. It is no wonder people feel miserable. I can accept Brexit and people being bored of foreginers, it's understandeable. I couldn't agree more. But there's always hope. - Houses- I have seen bigger matchboxes. But the more you integrate, the more you see the issues too. But reallyREALLYunless you compare Britain to Scandinavian countries, I hope you do realise you live on a cold, wet island. After 7 years we would like to move somewhere else. Ive lived here all my life, 40 years. Once I would have thought you were exaggerating. Australia is pretty great, I am not surprised you miss it! Not because you're leaving because HELLO ADVENTURE, but because of all the reasons you listed. Switzerland recently voted to restrict Islamic mosques. Please read again . This is true of humanity as a whole and I wouldn't say is specific to the UK. Rent is ridiculously expensive and housing quality is despicable, I was shocked! London is the 6th Most Michelin Starred city in the world, higher than Hong Kong or Barcelona. Anyway, I hope I have explained rationally that it's not as simple as how a lot of the press talks about Brexit :-). Like many new and unexplored places, it needs to be protected from abuse (rise in properly prices, too much tourism and so forth). Nevertheless, I wanted to tell the world what is going on and why we honestly wanted to leave the country. One other thing I learnt is where can you go in the world where you will not be the victim of racism because of your name or your origins? We are much happier out of the uk as it is now over populated in general. 2) Generate positive cash flows An entire slang vocabulary has emerged around chav. But good for you for taking on a new path, that's always exciting! But don't just take my word for it. The UK didn't. Lol, they have direct access to private healthcare through their kids' corporate jobs. It's merely a route to (SE) England. I had been living in my liberal bubble my entire life and had surrounded my self with educated people who feel passionate about gender issues, race issues and really believe in the importance of creating a society which is fair for everyone, regardless of where they or their family are from. That is what Brexit is all about: fighting back against this invasion. Answer (1 of 9): Hello Ian Kent and welcome to Quora. I moved to London 6 months ago from another wealthy Western European country, in search of better work opportunities, to further my career and basically to build a life. I've found people angry and bitter, jealous of our "success" so shunning us, mad at the whole world and blaming the new family down the street rather than reflecting on how their own attitudes drive down the areas we live in. Germany thought about it. The weather was so humid and I barely see the sunshine. I have watched it decline as I grow older. im sorry you and your husband had to go through what you did and now I see it (albeit from a different angle) how bad this country can be to people who are deemed different. Im delighted you have got out and I hope I can do the same one day. [28] Writer Owen Jones also criticised the use of the term in his book Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class. The entitlement culture that pervades is really shocking. -Cuisine- LOL. chav meaning: 1. an insulting word for someone, usually a young person, whose way of dressing, speaking, and. But this is something new. Great post other than the politics! In London, a global city! The word "chav", and its various synonyms and regional variations, has become a ubiquitous term of abuse for white working class subjects. Thank you for addressing that question bravely, truthfully and directly and may you and your partner have lots of luck and joy in finding your place in this world. This way people can live everywhere and not depend on the city which is too expensive. Romanian and other Balkan foods are perfect mixes of Turkish, Greek, German and other Eastern European countries such as Russia, Poland, and so on. We have massive mixed grills, meat and cold platters. Thank you for doing the right thing when it's easier to stay quiet. Having lived abroad for so long, we've learnt a lot of things about ourselves, other countries and the UK. And you know what? it was real and people felt this way en masse. I think your article raises some very good points, however, I would add the following. Any economist will tell you that. Looking at the OECD date, Britain ranks as the 11th safest country and #1 with amongst countries with a population bigger than 50 Million. Because they read too much of the Daily Mail and have come to believe that Mohammad who owns the corner shop and Sunita who works in the local Indian aren't law-abiding, hard-working citizens but terrorists, despite having lived here longer than some of us have been alive! We were both European expats who came here to study. It always rains. My Portuguese friend said the Portuguese just want to live in the beach, but the Brits try to be something more than they are. I absolutely agree that the only good thing about the UK is Scotland. My living abroad was more a lesson for personal growth than it was for achieving happiness. [11], It has also been suggested that the term is derived from the name of the town of Chatham, in Kent, but the Oxford English Dictionary thinks this is "probably a later rationalization". Thank you for your honesty, for this long and extremely interesting post. I am from Hungary and been living in the UK for 13 years. Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty and lots of National Trust locations for wonderful days out. I must admit, being a foreigner here in Denmark I often ask myself the same questions and face the same challenges. No country is perfect, but if you consider our history, museums, NHS, free education and world-class universities, the honesty of our police force and courts, business opportunities, freedom of speech, music, religious diversity, food safety (a huge problem in Asia by the way), countryside, regulation, animal rights, gender equality, gay rights, time zone, infrastructure, I still contend the UK is one of the best countries to live in the world. I have a Polish wife, and we've been increasingly travelling full-time. In the UK there was always immigration but it was controlled and little, only the best and most suitable immigrants can enter. No, they make a very fair point. The Midlands, SE, and even parts of the NE have less rain. You can't have a first worldly state and have open borders. The good news is that we live in a time when remote working is becoming more and more accessible. Where else will you find so much freedom of choice. In that 25yrs, my tropical island birth nation has gone from developing to now High Income status. I was born in the UK and have never been made to feel alienated, but even I find this country ignorant and hateful at the best of times. I'm sure you will find your (almost) perfect city/country! I think the only city I like during my entire UK trip is Edinburgh, the architecture there is just so stunning and it is completely different culture from England. The one that had the vote or the ones that didnt get the chance? You see, books and stories can have a wonderful influence on us all. I guess it's a "grass is always greener" situation for all of us lately. The level of racism in Continental European football matches for example is shocking. It's just that we wanted to experience something a little different for a while. I hope you find a new place you will call home. The English are well known cowards, always having someone else fight their wars. Mass immigration destroys societies, creates division and problems, immigration of few people and more controlled, where only the best can become English is what UK has to do. but maybe if I was Turkish it would be different. Yes, Nicola Sturgeon's Scotland wants more immigrants. We love you! We just moved to Budapest for a bit to try and mix things up a bit. About 12 years ago when I came to study in Manchester, Britain was a different place. I too admired the great minds that had achieved many great (and terrible) things around the world in our history and wanted to emulate the elements of the "British Gentleman". If you don't own a car in the UK, I am very sad to tell you that train prices are ridiculous. The girls commonly wear clothing which exposes their midriff. Dude, seriously, you're really shooting yourself in the foot here. You say your family is with you, if nothing else, I hope that offers you the comfort you need to have a decent life. But it is true, that unfortunately, this is the sad reality today. I think it's hypocritical. We have a long way to go before we can live in a borderless world, where are all welcome anywhere and everywhere. But personally I just don't think I really want to stay long term in a country without a summer lol also the drinking culture is so unhealthy. Thank you, Karin. In the 90's we managed to claw that back from the fascists and say as a society this is not who we are. Healthcare and education were much worse under the left. It doesnt Always rain ! we miss home but home is empty.. I went to uk last month and fell in love with portsmouth seaview and brighton, and my boyfriend told after the trip we wants to go to UK! Ever since I lived in mainland Europe (and you know, happy EU countries) we bought seasonal clothes and enjoyed 4 seasons. It is used in envy by the lily livered, privileged, pale, besuited bank clerk who sees people dressed up to the nines and going to the West End." It's no. Could it be because England is not a good place to live? I am so glad I left that world. This country has ace roads in comparison to other places we've lived in. I visited once when I was twenty and finally made the move after marrying my EU husband in my late twenties. We have numerous pastries with fillings going from cheese to spinach (like the Greeks, yes!) Canada is so high on our bucket list. Do you see? James, I'm sure you never heard of Carl Schmitt even though you're living in Germany who was a political philosopher. London is a fantastic place full of opportunities, it just needs to match your own requirements. This was an interesting read, I really enjoyed this article. https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/how-i-learnt-to-loathe-england I wrote an article about a similar topic a month ago. 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